stopped taking medication as a teenager, just a scatterbrain ever since!

I hear that alot of teenagers dont take their meds because they dont want to be different! If my son decides he doesnt need his meds were in a world of hurt!

What about when ADHD kids get in trouble with the law? They still need to be held accountable for their actions! So how does the law deal with them?

MLS... I STOPPED TAKING MY MEDICATION, BECAUSE I FELT IT WAS TIME TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY LIFE, I HAVE LEARNED TO LIVE WITH THIS CONDITION AND AM VERY SUCCESSFUL IN MY PURSUITS

"Are there any studies done that ADD is more prevelent in the US than in other counties?

i like that question Jack

I AGREE GEO

Diet is certainly different here, Chrisa

I'm not up on the subject but my opinion is TOO many kids are TOO quickly tagged with ADD! If you want "ADD" then try this........ Add some parental control.........Add some school discilpine..........Add some child responsibility............!!!!!!!!!!!!1

u bet i am orig from germany and have never even heard that much about ADD until i came to this country

Babbette Im glad you were able to do that Im dealing with a 14 year old here who still cannot deal or accept responsbility for his actions!!

Chrisa, it is because we let our children get away with too much. We don't teach proper morals in this country any more.

thats bad

And no Im not using it as an excuse and neither is he!!

i agree moco

I don't doubt that it exists. But like so many things in this society, I get skeptical about it being used as an excuse

Germany is way stricter with children

My son is on Welbitrin to help him focus on things he needs to focus. But when he puts his mind to it .........He don't need it. He has to try harder.

My son has a very short leash he doesnt get away with too much by all means!!

whtas the subject?

yes I used to live in Germany they have there share of undis children seen it myself!!

hi wolf

hi babb

I agree George

But by the same token I feel that we create this "POPS" THING. Pup out of the pen syndrome. We can too much safe gaurd our kids and then when the go out the go wild.

strict or not strict i think over here it is not easy on parents to punish their kids u have to worry that somebody calls Child Services on u. By all means when i say punish i do not mean hitting

Keep them busy with physical exercise sports etc!!

Good point, Chrisa

I agree mls.

So what does a parent do in this country to correct and punish a child if the hands are tied?

parents beat the life out of me....it worked...but i do not go there

me too and i am ok

I dont think that is a solution

you have to be proactive from the start

Ignore the standards and make the child understand morals and the right thing to do. If they step out of line.......make thempay the price.

rage was a big problem for me

Well, I disagree with you there mo.

is tourett's genetic?

My pleasure, bert See ya Tim, Dan. Night to all

In the summer we go visit family in germany and my daughter is a totally different child . Due to the different way of raising them

Why, wolf?

how many children do u have George?

george are you familiar with torticollis?

I'm unknown to the Tourette's Syndrome

George so best thing for ADD kids is to have structure and a routine is that right?

I agree with that Chrisa. Is it productive George?

By George

spasmodic torticollis. it's a nerological disorder

all children need structure and routine, and lots of hugs, and a good ear to listen to them.

can I get some info on ritalin I don't think its a good option

i say an expected routine, with an oppertunity along the way to deviate without problems

My son and daughter will still give me hugs in public. I guess I'm pretty lucky.

nigt dan

wolf thats true but ADd kids need the routine at all times

Night Dan. Good to see ya.

i mean all the time

And whats the problem with providing it??

nothing but sometimes the routine is just interrupted due to everyday life. Thats when we are in trouble

It was nice of George to come.,

i agree moco

problems of second consequences or dependent to ritalin

Thank you all. It’s time to say good bye. I've enjoyed talking with you

My area is too rready to say "REDILIN" (I know I didn't spell that right). It is the first thing out of their mouths. Mind control is not the answer.

hi guys

HELLO MOCOWBOY

I agree with you there Mo!!

thanks George was nice of u to come and chat with us

nite george

Thanks for being here George!!

feel free to contact me at GeorgeLynn@compuserve.com bye

Howdy Gretch!! Good to see ya!

good to see you too Timmie!

The parents over the years have been failing because we let society push us too fast to have time to set at home and take care of family business.!

moco thats a super point

Any comment on that???

Agree.

its sad that most Moms have to work

I agree, priorities. That's what it boils down to

i am a stay at home mom

i wish i could be home to raise my son and home school him

actually i think family should be #1

most definately

It's not sad that mom's have to work........It's sad that society and money pressure the mom's and dad's to put work ahead of family.

i had an agreement with my hubby to stay home i am glad

I feel that a women should have a career as well as a man. But many "MOM'S" have to work to just create and income, not to create a career.

Bert i know but why is this in this country that fanily is pushed aside.

where i work, if your child is ill and you cant make it to work, it counts against you on your permanent recor

that stinks babette

but most parents work and the majority of kids are doin o.k. in school. i think the parents are failing in another way:too much permisiveness.

Is ADD a neurological disorder or diesease?

amen

most moms would rather work.

Ritalin is a poor answer. Why don't we put poision on our yards bec ause we don't have time to mow it?!?!

tell me about it, now mandatory 10 hour work day too

i finally went in and gave my two week notice, signed up to bew a mom first, i said

In germany for example u get 6 weeks of (paid) before ur due date and up to 3 Years after with some money from the government also u can work parttime up to 18 hours a week . Also the government pays everybody KINDERGELD for each child every month.

You made the right choice Babbette

We've spoiled ourselves, we don't need all the things we think we do. If we lived by that, then the "salesmen of society " would let us alone and we wouldn't strive so hard for the monatary (spell) things in life.

hmm

i know i did, harder on the hubby though

i wonder why nothing like this exists over here

Amen babbette.

i get more time with the boy and he gets less

I think that would be another solution Bert!

One side of the brain deals with focusing on a single thing. The other side deals with a thousand things at a time. it is only a matter of knowing which side is dominant.

Another solution to retalin, Bert.

million things at once for me

on ritalin feel like a zombie

for sure babbette.

off ritalin, ability to entertain others by, scatterbraining through unrelated topics

I agree with that Bert. So if you can't sort it out or control it you tend to ignore it. That is where profesional help and training comes in. As well as some parental support.

Well, I guess you use it to your advantage, babbette.

Does anybobdy know how many ADD kids are in the US?

just curious

most of those herbal remedies are a bunch of crap!

not all babbette

Don't knock them so quick, Babbette.

i am very creative, people who know me appreciate the way i am.

just need to know how to use tham

tried them, no dice

how many Bert?

I'm sure they do babbette, but isn't that because you can deal with several thing at once? Why not be open to other options.,?

u got it Bert

honesatly i have tried, without much luck

$$$$$$$ i all that counts

and thats what is boils down to $$$

why both sons on ritalin??

I can believe that Bert. But as well that might come from the fact that there are not enough teaachers for the number of kids. Sothe teacher is overloaded and doesn't have the time tobe a proper "EDUCATOR"

I think you guys ought to rebel and take back your children's future from the beaurocrats

i have been told by my daughters school to have her evaluated by by a doctor or else. Cost me $700. Insurance did not cover it . I fought hard and than got my money back

yea wolf

Hi Ted

i didnt want to put my son on med, but one day he looked at me in a store, (just a normal day) and said"mommy i want to die" " i am not good like all the other kids are" "maybe god can fix me"""

its hard i didnot know my rights

Get on you elected reps to make it a priority

Just showin the wife around

my daughter is homeschooled

Me too Michelle. I Told them where to get off. And we delt with it ourselves.. Maybe not in the best way but it is working.

Amen wolf.

GRETCHEN at the time it was not considered a medical condition

so insurance said forget it

that sucks because i think it is medical

That is when you need to go to get help and stay with the kid, babbette. Church can't hurt. Talk with teachers, counselors,,,,, pastor,,,,,, family,,,,,,

if it has to do with the brain it is medical period

I think the fact that children's needs are not being met, are now bubbling to the surface and manifested in ways which are nolonger easy to ignore

That''s tough too Rick.

Gretchen i agree

broke my heart, i was hugging him in the store and crying

i feel for u babbette

all this insight

what, homeschoolig?

what is the topic?

Hugging is Good!!

wondered how his self esteem would fare if he was always getting in trouble for little things all day

yes, Rick. A real challeng on the parent, isn't it/

Good for her, Bert.

yea, but worth it

he just turned 6 in march

what kind of work up there

had my kid in aprivate school before and they told her if u do not listen we kick u out . She was only 6 at the time . I could not believeit. She had a hard time with this unprofessional statement for a long time

and it's monitored by the church. she's an angel on earth

give lot's of love babbette but give strict rules of conduct also. Self esteem is important.

very strict house but full of love, people always praise me about how personable and sweet my son is

Thats what my nusband tells me Bert

That is great Rick! But does that restrict the capabilities of being ab le to deal with other children in many ways?

there are many alternatives to spanking

it is terrible to spank your child

i believe in spankings, luckily i don't have to do it

i spank but it hurts to do it. Altho the kids are too old now,.

tell them in a way they can understand

take away something they really like

a spanking at the right time isnot going to hurt

no MO she relates with other kids and adults very well

lay down the hammer Michelle. and you have to stay put till it hurts you and then they will see that there is no "back up in you".

agree

i give my son a choice , if the behavior persists the punishment will become harsher, always a warning befffffore the spanking option

Children have the capacity to understand, but many times parents dont have the capacity to communicate to the child in a wasy the child will understand

sometimes kids are too young to relate the whole message in debate

oh bs

babbate you arewrong

there are books on how to communicate with your child

what gets me is that society and the court allows a kid to divorce the parents. That makes it easy for us parents

That is great Rick. The reason I ask is because I have some in-laws who home school and you can tell it. The kids are socially retarded........ That might be a bit course,,,,,,,,, but there is a difference in the the way they react with groups.'

hi u

My problem is I give too many warnings!!

Go and watch a childcare worker who is a "wonder" with kids.

These people have a talent for talking and listening to kids

dont be so sure, think about it . your 3 yr old runs into the street.... you explain to him why it is wrong, he does it again, you explain it is wrong and why, he does it again, what do you do?

agreed wolf. Where is the damned manual??

wait until he gets hit by a car, or make him fear a consequence?

Draw it, color a picture of it

read a book about it

explain to him or her what hurt is, my child only ran out once, but, all children are different also

bust his ass, babbette. Want to goto a funeral??

Children associate with pain though...

they can understand it anyways

wolf i think thats good suggestions . Its just parents are often to busy working and often the babysitters are not the greatest

i drug my son to the very edge of a busy street , where he could feel the wind of the cars and hear the loud noises, and see just how big and fast those cars were. i asked him if he understood and he said yes

everyone is trying to find solutions to their problems, but you have to realize that the children are still young. No matter how much you explain it to them you will never be able to understand it like adults. It takes time.

well was great chatting with all of u got to go now bye

take off latino

thanks

go away

my point exactly, sometimes children need to be scared of consequences before it is too late to teach them the long drawn out version of the point

thank you for understanding babbette

i know it!!!!1

does it have to be just about boys, sometimes I wonder if my daughter has ADD..

Then you should be checkingt you homework and then going to bed, 23.

what is add?

Night Michell. Nice to talk to you again.'

attention defecit disorder

Tell Mike I said hi.'

Attention Deficit Disorder or something like that....

my daughter acts out, let me tell you....

Night Rick. Take care. Good to see ya.

how old is she?

5

she has these tantrums that are just amazing, and so far nothing really works

well Babs idid it work???

what have you tried?

Too many strange names, Bert. Do you think they think mocowboy is strange??????

I AM A MAN

did ya find a 42 ounce

And you did it with out beating him??

i'm not leaving, i was saying nite to gretchen, but i appreciate the consideration

You said yu was a kid a while ago, 23

I have tried to get her to verbalize why or what is making her mad, and she turned it to "this is making me mad so I am going to break, destroy this or that thing

i would alway consider you Rick.

have you seen trinity, babette?

Hit her in the mouth ZZZ....... Just kidding.

also ignoring or holding her or taking something important away ....

thanks

Babs, did the busy street lesson work???

no i swatted hi but right there in the parking lot in front of a dozen people, my point was that i was as creative as humanly possible

I have come close, though, that is the scary thing

so what does she expliode about?

not yet

Well, family is finally home. I need to beat the kids, and kick the wife, and I aint going to tell you what i am going to do with the wife.

Night All!

everyting, clothes, not being able to do this or that, in the store, although I have curbed that by always leaving so now she gets the message that I will just leave if she throws a tantrun....taking a bath, brushing her teeth you name it

for shame mccowboy

Great Night all! I enjoyed it.

does she go to school?

us too

can anyone tell me the effects of black coffee on add kids

although at other times she is an absolute doll...she goes to pre-school, starts k in the fall

It takes a lot to raise a child with great needs

so she does it when she dosen't get her way?

But it is an investment in their future.

my little boy is the light of my life, well worth it, no trouble

I have talked to her doctor, has been seeing her since birth, he doesn't think it is abnormal, however maybe I should get a second opinion

i have 15 kids so i know it all.

she does it when she doesn't get her way half the time, the other half, she is understanding and empathetic

second opinions never hurt

no one has 15 kids

i'm just kiding

my favorite children's experst are Sears and Sears

i'm only 16

yeah, maybe I am just scared of what I might find out...

they have 8 kids, he's apediatriton and obs/gyn and she is an RN who specializes in babys

lol babbette

They have a few books out worth reading

what was that book again?

it could just be normal behavior. when they are young it is hard to punish them in a way which will teach them. But as they get older they begin to realize things and you can punish them in a way that they can understand.

that is what is hardest for me, finding what works

Mine is right into books

don't think so,,, lol....not this serious , yet

have a problem and I find a book on the subject and it hits home for her

she always wanted treats in the store, and now, she doesn't get any but, she works for $1 allowance a week now, and it's working, because she can spend it every friday on whatever she wants

got kids d12

so there is freedom and responsibility

charts and bribes always work

Ever have a tantrum in front of your child

i have

that is the worst thing you can do

no, do not babbette

yes all the time

lol

once, and it shut her up, cause I tried it to catch her off gaurd

lol

be having a fit infront of your child you are teaching him or her that it is ok.

on the floor stamping feet??

love to mess with them

yup

crying like a baby

In the supermarket I just let her go at it and wait.

i have had physical fights in front of my daughter

I know, but, I was at my wits end that day, it was safer to have a fit, than yell at her

ignoring it works the best, but, what I have discovered in the last few weeks is consistency in the way I disapline is what works

well im not gonna let you guys keep me up late again tonight, no meat to cook

well people it's been fun but i have homework or my parents will KILL ME!!!! Just kiding. GOOD NIGHT!

nite

good luck zzuuppa

good night

thank you and good night