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Are our schools equipped to handle "attention different" boys who act out or curse in class? That was the subject of a recent chat with expert George T. Lynn, author of Survival Strategies for Parents of ADD Kids.
Here's the continuation of our transcript of our recent chat with expert George Lynn:
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
There are several
attractive naturopathic alternatives to
pharmacology
Kaitlin© says:
i just returned to
work
Kaitlin© says:
well wolf mine go
private and it doesnt help that
much
chrisa says:
what are they
George?
wolf2000 says:
specially for
ADHD?
Maxx says:
Mr. Lynn, my son 11yrs.
old is classified learning disabled. He has
outbursts of anger and I go over to the school
to help. They know of his problem, but seem to
want to treat him like a criminal. He swears and
sometimes knocks his desk
over.
baby36 says:
you are lucky you are
able to do that babbette but some parents can't
afford to
Kaitlin© says:
no the one in town is a
half hour away and is 3000 a
year
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
And we are in a time of
much greater understanding of how to reduce
stress and promote wellness all the way around.
this helps a lot
mls says:
My son is 14 been on
Ritalin since the age of 7 It definitly has made
a difference for us!!
babbette says:
i spend big money every
year to have my son in a private school, goin
without lots, but worth it , they really try
hard
TOMMY says:
violence should not be
tolerated
Kaitlin© says:
sometimes ADD kids dont
think before they act
TOMMY says:
unlike
littleton?
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
One of my favorite
models is Howare Gardner’s apporach to
multiple intelligences..building schools on that
model are great for ADD's
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
They tend to be high in
visual, creative, musical, and tactile
intelligence. Some are very
athletic.
mls says:
I think that a
privateschool is too structured and alot is
expected of the kids which can lead to a high
frustration level for the ADHD
kids
Host Bert_MSN says:
Gardiner's model?
Possible to sum that up in a couple of
sentences?
Kaitlin© says:
i agree
mls
Kaitlin© says:
but the only other
alternative for me is
homeschooling
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
Gardener s model is a.
Find out what he is good at and b. Teach to that
intelligence
TOMMY says:
good
idea~!
Host Bert_MSN George
says in his book he tried private school ..
didn't help his son ... back in public schools,
teachers working with Gregory worked well
...
baby36 says:
ADD kids need someone to
always be there to listen to them , be patient
with them and praise them for any little thing
that they do
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
Homeschooling is an
option if you can afford it. In this state (WA)
homeschoolers get a lot of support from the
system
chrisa says:
thats true
baby
Host Bert_MSN says:
An individual approach
tailored to the gifts each kid has ... I LIKE
it!
mls says:
yes but I dont have the
patience for homeschooling I have a very hard
time getting him to do his homework when he does
remember to bring it home!
wolf2000 says:
A private school
especially for ADHD children, with the curiculum
designed for them not the
average
babbette says:
actually, some things
that my sons sachool really impress me, he is 6
and for a unit the kids did on the heart and
circulatory system, they actually braught in a
real cow and chicken heart. the kids were
fascinated, they actually got to touch and
see
Kaitlin© says:
mls good
point
ML-Explorer says:
doesn't every child need
praise and someone to listen to
them????
chrisa says:
So what about that new
law that got passed??
Host Bert_MSN says:
Our Special Guest
tonight is George T. Lynn, author of Survival Strategies for
Parenting Your ADD Child. The topic is how
well are our schools serving "attention
different" boys, and what can we do about
it.
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
CHADD is also a good
resource for homework hints and class
adaptations
mls says:
It takes alot of
bribbing to get it done
babbette says:
yes but most kids will
remember praise a little
longer
baby36 says:
true they do explore but
ADD kids need a little extra
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
Look for little things
and praise them. Kids grow from noticing the
positive in themselves. Period., That is so
true
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
ADD kids grow up to take
so many hits for being different their self
esteem can be in the
pits
JackGerardi says:
George, are there signs
of "untreated" ADD in adults? Those of
us who might have been as kids, but were
considered "bad" before there accepted
diagnosis?
mls says:
Anyone ever read or see
a lecture by John Taylor?
wolf2000 says:
When you say teach to
that intelligence, do you mean, teach visual to
a visually oriented
person..etc?
Host GeorgeLynn
(~GeorgeLynn@216.192.36.33) has left the
conversation.
babbette says:
i grew up thinking i was
crazy
JackGerardi says:
opps!
Host Bert_MSN says:
Oops! Looks like our
Special Guest got
"moofed"!
babbette says:
i couldnt seem to
organize a thaught long enogh to deal with
it
JackGerardi says:
Then I'll ask anyone:
are there signs of "untreated" ADD in
adults? Those of us who might have been as kids,
but were considered "bad" before there
accepted diagnosis?
Host Bert_MSN says:
Our Special Guest
tonight is George T. Lynn, author of Survival Strategies for
Parenting Your ADD Child. The topic is how
well are our schools serving "attention
different" boys, and what can we do about
it.
wolf2000 says:
hmmm, day dream a lot,
lost without the
daytimer??
wolf2000 says:
needs lots of
lists??
Host Bert_MSN says:
Unfortunately, our guest
just got "moofed" !!! He'll be back in
a monent ... I HOPE!
Host Bert_MSN says:
Jack I think there are a
LOT of untreated ADD walking around out
there!
JackGerardi says:
Wolf, That's
me!!
Host Bert_MSN says:
Me, for one ... until I
started reading about it a few years ago
...
mls says:
anyone with teenager
with ADHD?
Host Bert_MSN says:
A book Driven to Distraction -- for adult
ADDs.
GeorgeLynn
(~GeorgeLynn@216.192.38.46) has joined the
conversation.
chrisa says:
Again anybody familiar
with the new law?
mls says:
Helping your hyperactive/Attention Deficit
Child by John Taylor is also a good
resource book!!
JackGerardi says:
No chrisa. 'what is it
?
GeorgeLynn says:
I'm
back
Kava says:
what new
law??
Maxx says:
Thought I fell into a
pretty interesting conversation. My son has a
learning disability. Noone will let me cure
it.
chrisa says:
wb
George
JackGerardi says:
Welcome
back!
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
Thanks
Host Bert_MSN says:
George, our word for it
on MSN is "moofed" -- sorry about that
!!!
mls says:
What new
law?
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
Where are
we?
Host Bert_MSN says:
George, Maxx just said
...
Maxx
says:
Thought I fell into a
pretty interesting conversation. My son has a
learning disability. Noone will let me cure
it.
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
Thanky
G2K says:
Did I miss the
discussion about how diet relates to
ADD
mls says:
Does anyone know what
law their referring too?
Host Bert_MSN says:
Maxx, care to elaborate
for George, about "none will let me cure
it"? What
obstacles?
chrisa says:
George somebody in here
said that a new law got passed . I think ADD is
now finally accepte as a disability. Can u tell
me more about it???
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
OK Diet. Sugar bad
Complex carbs good
Host Bert_MSN Let's do
Maxx's question first, then MLS' question about
new laws, then ? about diet? Maybe there are too
many questions at once?
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
Yes, the ADA and IDEA
were revised by Congress last year. The ADA
gives kids protection under the Civil Rights
law. The IDEA is the educational
statute
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
The biggest change from
this is that ADHD is now formally included as a
disabling condition under thye
IDEA
Maxx says:
Not to sound to cruel,
but sometimes I think my son needs a good
paddling, but everybody, including my wife feel
that that is abuse and threaten to call Children
& Youth Services.
mls says:
And what exactly does
all that mean?
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
This means that its
harder to throw kids out of school if ADHD is
part of the picture
Kava says:
a paddling worked for
me
Kava says:
lol
mls says:
ok
understand
Host Bert_MSN says:
IDEA ? What does that
stand for?I know what ADA is
...
G2K says:
Maxx, we all feel that
way sometimes and sometimes it's true , they do
need it. but just don't do it in
anger.
Maxx says:
George, it's not about
kicking them out of school, my son had a
incident that he was almost
arrested.
babbette says:
maxx, my son
occasionally, receives a spanking, but he is
always told before it comes to that that it is a
possibility if he continues a certain
behavior
JackGerardi says:
How do we differentiate
between ADD and a kid that needs agood kick in
the pants, ?
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
IDEA Individuals with
Disabilities Education
Act
mls says:
my husband feels the
same way I give him too many chances!! and he
knows it!!
Host Bert_MSN Thanks
...
G2K says:
Anybody questioning the
childs diet in these cases??
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
The first step is a good
medical diagnosis.
Maxx says:
Good point
G2K.
chrisa says:
what does ADA stand
for>?
Host Bert_MSN says:
Our Special Guest
tonight is George T. Lynn, author of Survival Strategies for
Parenting Your ADD Child. The topic is how
well are our schools serving "attention
different" boys, and what can we do about
it.
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
Then a good educational
evaluation to pinpoint learning problems is in
order
Host Bert_MSN Americans
with Disabilities Act ... handicapped access and
all that ...
mls says:
I discipline by taking
things he values like playstation/yoyo whatever
and he earns it back with acceptable
behavior!!
G2K says:
I mean, have you really
cataloged the nutritional intake of your child
each day??
chrisa says:
thanks
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
Educational testing is
extremely important because this puts the burden
on the school to delver
svcs
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
Many people don't know
that the school will pay for this if it is
required
ML-Explorer says:
why does the burden
always have to be on the
school?
DanBollinger says:
it would tend to get the
school enrolled in the child' success,
too
mls says:
How do kids generally do
in High school?
Maxx says:
I have taken my son to
about every doctor and neuroliges around.
Everybody has a different option. In school they
say he is disabled, but when he acts up, they
threaten to have him arrested. Why is that their
only solution.
G2K says:
My son was considered
ADD until I took him off of dairy and wheat. He
sits quietly at night and does his homework
without being told..
chrisa says:
but they try to tell u
that u as a parent should pay took us a long
time to get our money back
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
More on diet? Sugar bad,
Ca Casein (milk protein) may be bad. Thank
you!
G2K says:
Anyone want to talk diet
now or do you just want to
whine??
Host Bert_MSN G2K and
others ... George's book has an appendix that
talks about naturopathic alternatives. Walter J.
Crinnion, N.D., Nutritional ALternatives to
Ritalin - Treating the Causes as Well as the
Symptoms. He specifically mentions wheat and
dairy, I think. Also, apples and
peanuts!
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
Schools reflex is to
discipline. They know how to do that.
Unfortunately, they do not always know how to
teachy kids with learning
differences
Host Bert_MSN says:
Our Men's Community Web
site has a direct link to buy George's book from
Barnes & Noble - http://communities.msn.com/men/wyrdkids.asp
DanBollinger says:
thanks,
bert
Maxx says:
My kids eat all good
food, like you mentioned. But they still, I
think, eat to much candy.
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
I have found that the 40
30 30 diet helps some kids. 40 percent complex
carbs, 30 percent fatty acids, 30 percent
protein
mls says:
Iwhat kind of jobs do
you suggest for teens with
ADHD?
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
ADD kids train their
parents to have lots of junk food around. Get
rid of it!
Hercules says:
this is a mens
room?
Hercules says:
mens
issues?
Host Bert_MSN says:
Our Special Guest
tonight is George T. Lynn, author of Survival Strategies for
Parenting Your ADD Child. The topic is how
well are our schools serving "attention
different" boys, and what can we do about
it.
DanBollinger says:
is that by weight,
George?
mls says:
well Hercules not right
now
G2K says:
but DOCTOR'S don't talk
about proper nutrition so nobody seems to care.
As it turns out most doctors have only had 4
hours of nutrition training.
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
Jobs for ADD teens. Any
job outside where they can move around or inside
where they can work on the
computer
Maxx says:
I will try your advice,
George.
DanBollinger says:
yep, men's issues,
herc
DanBollinger says:
Host Bert_MSN
says:
Our Special Guest
tonight is George T. Lynn, author of Survival Strategies for
Parenting Your ADD Child. The topic is how
well are our schools serving "attention
different" boys, and what can we do about
it.
Host Bert_MSN Hercules
... yes, men's issues. How active boys are
treated in school is a "men's issue",
thus the ADD topic
Hercules says:
diets?
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
ADHD tends to be a boys
problem. ADD is more often seen in girls. The
ADD'rs slip through the cracks because their
hyperness is internal
Host Bert_MSN says:
Yes, girls have ADD too.
E. Hollowell in Driven
to Distraction poonts out they're less
likely to act it out.
mls says:
What about driving? I
will not let my son drive until hes
20!!
Maxx says:
Gotta go, I'm taking
your advice on diet George. Bye
ted.
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
And the ADD kids tend to
be quiet depressives
DanBollinger says:
sounds like me as a
child!
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
Driving. Does he
attend?
babbette says:
i am an awsome drivewr,
i see so much more around me than others do, if
i see a problem on the road i always have an
out
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
My daughter won't get a
drivers license cause she knows she's too
distractable
mls says:
no hes 14 Im gearing up
for the future !
babbette says:
dont be afraid of the
road
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
14, Cool. Two more years
of peace :)
DanBollinger says:
then you are ADD
babbette?
Host Bert_MSN says:
LOL!
G2K says:
Gotta go friends, but
trust me on the lifestyle change
(foods)
mls says:
my son will not have
enough sense he will want to cause his friends
are!
babbette says:
yes, medicated at 5
yrs
DanBollinger says:
thanks a long
time
babbette says:
my first vehicle was a
motorcycle
mls says:
no motorcycle
either!!
DanBollinger says
maybe you've already
covered this, but what are some telltale
indicators for ADD?
babbette says:
stopped taking
medication as a teenager, just a scatterbrain
ever since!
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
Isee telltale
indicators..in young kids..ear infections..sleep
problems..runners
Host Bert_MSN says:
Our Special Guest
tonight is George T. Lynn, author of Survival Strategies for
Parenting Your ADD Child. The topic is how
well are our schools serving "attention
different" boys, and what can we do about
it.
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
more tantrums then
usual..push away types of
kids
DanBollinger says:
runners?
mls says:
I hear that alot of
teenagers dont take their meds because they dont
want to be different! If my son decides he
doesnt need his meds were in a world of
hurt!
Host Bert_MSN
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
Isee telltale
indicators..in young kids..ear infections..sleep
problems..runners
Really! How do those
relate to ADD, I wonder?
...
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
Schools need to revise
curricula and (I'm sorry) have ADD friendly
classrooms taught be teachers who are ADD
themselves or knowledgable about
it
Host Bert_MSN says:
Teachers? That brings up
a men's issue ... only 10% of elementary school
teachers are male, and that includes all the gym
teachers.
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
Kids with ADD do not do
well in the chairs in a row model. In a way the
right classroom for an ADD kid is tyhe same
class that many non ADD'rs could benefit
from
mls says:
What about when ADHD
kids get in trouble with the law? They still
need to be held accountable for their actions!
So how does the law deal with
them?
DanBollinger says:
a miserable statistic
for sure
DanBollinger says:
intervention sounds like
a good plan
babbette says:
MLS... I STOPPED TAKING
MY MEDICATION, BECAUSE I FELT IT WAS TIME TO
TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY LIFE, I HAVE LEARNED
TO LIVE WITH THIS CONDITION AND AM VERY
SUCCESSFUL IN MY PURSUITS
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
ADHD'r tend to get in
trouble with the law. Consequences should affirm
their connection with the community because they
tend to be mavericks..
JackGerardi says:
"Are there any
studies done that ADD is more prevelent in the
US than in other counties?
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
ADD is an explanation
not and excuse
chrisa says:
i like that question
Jack
babbette says:
I AGREE
GEO
JackGerardi says:
Diet is certainly
different here, Chrisa
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
Yes. Studies indicate
that the US and Australia are leaders in ADD in
the world but many countries are still way
behind the curve in knowing about it and
treating it
mocowboy says:
I'm not up on the
subject but my opinion is TOO many kids are TOO
quickly tagged with ADD! If you want
"ADD" then try this........ Add some
parental control.........Add some school
discilpine..........Add some child
responsibility............!!!!!!!!!!!!1
DanBollinger says:
so it may be going
undiagnosed in other
countries
chrisa says:
u bet i am orig from
germany and have never even heard that much
about ADD until i came to this
country
Host Bert_MSN says:
MenWeb has a site that a
kid from India put together ... a 15-year-old
computer kid who had been "shamed" a
lot in class ... http://www.vix.con/menmag/wyrdkid.htm
mls says:
Babbette Im glad you
were able to do that Im dealing with a 14 year
old here who still cannot deal or accept
responsbility for his
actions!!
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
I did a conf in London
last year. They throw their ADD kids out of
school there. Period. Then the kids get tracked
into the trades and they figure that's
that
mocowboy says:
Chrisa, it is because we
let our children get away with too much. We
don't teach proper morals in this country any
more.
chrisa says:
thats
bad
Host Bert_MSN says:
Our Special Guest
tonight is George T. Lynn, author of Survival Strategies for
Parenting Your ADD Child. The topic is how
well are our schools serving "attention
different" boys, and what can we do about
it.
mls says:
And no Im not using it
as an excuse and neither is
he!!
chrisa says:
i agree
moco
JackGerardi says:
I don't doubt that it
exists. But like so many things in this society,
I get skeptical about it being used as an
excuse
chrisa says:
Germany is way stricter
with children
mocowboy says:
My son is on Welbitrin
to help him focus on things he needs to focus.
But when he puts his mind to it .........He
don't need it. He has to try
harder.
mls says:
My son has a very short
leash he doesnt get away with too much by all
means!!
holeshot says:
whtas the
subject?
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
Many ADD kids benefit
from structure but they need to be challenged
within that structure..
Host Bert_MSN says:
Our Special Guest
tonight is George T. Lynn, author of Survival Strategies for
Parenting Your ADD Child. The topic is how
well are our schools serving "attention
different" boys, and what can we do about
it.
Host Bert_MSN says:
"Attention
different" refers to boys who have
Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD),
Tourette's Syndrome, or Bipolar Disorder. These
kids don't have "deficits," but
"differences," which include unique
and special gifts.
mls says:
yes I used to live in
Germany they have there share of undis children
seen it myself!!
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
Boredom can be a big
stressor and that can set off the ADD
problms
babbette says:
hi
wolf
wolf2000 says:
hi
babb
mls says:
I agree
George
mocowboy says:
But by the same token I
feel that we create this "POPS" THING.
Pup out of the pen syndrome. We can too much
safe gaurd our kids and then when the go out the
go wild.
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
Talking international,
the Japanes tolerate a lot more
hyperactivity
chrisa says:
strict or not strict i
think over here it is not easy on parents to
punish their kids u have to worry that somebody
calls Child Services on u. By all means when i
say punish i do not mean
hitting
mls says:
Keep them busy with
physical exercise sports
etc!!
JackGerardi says:
Good point,
Chrisa
mocowboy says:
I agree
mls.
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
Yes. Exeercise is very
good for all things
ADD!
chrisa says:
So what does a parent do
in this country to correct and punish a child if
the hands are tied?
babbette says:
parents beat the life
out of me....it worked...but i do not go
there
chrisa says:
me too and i am
ok
wolf2000 says:
I dont think that is a
solution
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
Many of the most
distressing problems these kids have are related
to their other conditons such as depression,
obsessions, rage, etc
wolf2000 says:
you have to be proactive
from the start
mocowboy says:
Ignore the standards and
make the child understand morals and the right
thing to do. If they step out of line.......make
thempay the price.
babbette says:
rage was a big problem
for me
wolf2000 says:
Well, I disagree with
you there mo.
holeshot says:
is tourett's
genetic?
JackGerardi says:
My pleasure, bert See ya
Tim, Dan. Night to all
chrisa says:
In the summer we go
visit family in germany and my daughter is a
totally different child . Due to the different
way of raising them
mocowboy says:
Why,
wolf?
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
TS is
genetic
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
My own son is DX
Tourette Syndrome. It has been an
education
chrisa says:
how many children do u
have George?
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
3..two grown daughters
and one son
Host Bert_MSN ... all I
know of Tourette's Syndrome is the "cursing
disease" ... I take it there's a LOT more
involved ...
holeshot says:
george are you familiar
with torticollis?
mocowboy says:
I'm unknown to the
Tourette's Syndrome
chrisa says:
George so best thing for
ADD kids is to have structure and a routine is
that right?
Host GeorgeLynn
says:
No what is
torticollis?
mocowboy says:
I agree with that
Chrisa. Is it productive
George?
mocowboy says:
By
George
holeshot says:
spasmodic torticollis.
it's a nerological
disorder
wolf2000 says:
all children need
structure and routine, and lots of hugs, and a
good ear to listen to
them.
flash2 says:
can I get some info on
ritalin I don't think its a good
option
babbette says:
i say an expected
routine, with an oppertunity along the way to
deviate without problems
mocowboy says:
My son and daughter will
still give me hugs in public. I guess I'm pretty
lucky.
wolf2000 says:
nigt
dan
chrisa says:
wolf thats true but ADd
kids need the routine at all
times
mocowboy says:
Night Dan. Good to see
ya.
chrisa says:
i mean all the
time
wolf2000 says:
And whats the problem
with providing it??
chrisa says:
nothing but sometimes
the routine is just interrupted due to everyday
life. Thats when we are in
trouble
Host Bert_MSN says:
Our Special Guest
tonight is George T. Lynn, author of Survival Strategies for
Parenting Your ADD Child. The topic is how
well are our schools serving "attention
different" boys, and what can we do about
it.
mocowboy says:
It was nice of George to
come.,
Host Bert_MSN says:
Our Men's Community Web
site has a direct link to buy George's book from
Barnes & Noble - http://communities.msn.com/men/wyrdkids.asp
chrisa says:
i agree
moco
flash2 says:
problems of second
consequences or dependent to
ritalin
Host Bert_MSN says:
We'll have a transcript
of this chat on the MSN Men's Community Web
page, by some time tomorrow. http://communities.msn.com/men/
Host Bert_MSN says:
While you've been gone,
I gave another shameless plug for your book
<g>
GeorgeLynn says:
Thank you all.
It’s time to say good bye. I've enjoyed
talking with you
mocowboy says:
My area is too rready to
say "REDILIN" (I know I didn't spell
that right). It is the first thing out of their
mouths. Mind control is not the
answer.
chrisa says:
hi
guys
Host Bert_MSN says:
We've sure enjoyed
having you here, George!
Host Bert_MSN says:
It's been a great
chat!
GRETCHEN says:
HELLO
MOCOWBOY
wolf2000 says:
I agree with you there
Mo!!
chrisa says:
thanks George was nice
of u to come and chat with
us
holeshot says:
nite
george
Host Bert_MSN says:
Thanks so much! A lot of
good info there!
mocowboy says:
Thanks for being here
George!!
GeorgeLynn says:
feel free to contact me
at GeorgeLynn@compuserve.com
bye
mocowboy says:
Howdy Gretch!! Good to
see ya!
GeorgeLynn
(~GeorgeLynn@216.192.17.8) has left the
conversation.
GRETCHEN says:
good to see you too
Timmie!
Host Bert_MSN says:
Our Men's Community Web
site has a direct link to buy George's book from
Barnes & Noble - http://communities.msn.com/men/wyrdkids.asp
Host Bert_MSN says:
We'll have a transcript
of this chat on the MSN Men's Community Web
page, by some time tomorrow. http://communities.msn.com/men/
Host Bert_MSN says:
And his article
"Wyrd Kids and Planetary Survival os on our
Men's Community Web site, too. http://communities.msn.com/men/wyrdkids.asp | 
