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The Challenge of ADD

A Chat with Expert George T. Lynn

 

George T. Lynn is the author of Survival Strategies for Parenting Your ADD Child: Dealing With Obsessions Compulsions, Depression, Explosive Behavior, and Rage (order on-line)


George T. Lynn

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Are our schools equipped to handle "attention different" boys who act out or curse in class? That was the subject of a recent chat with expert George T. Lynn, author of Survival Strategies for Parents of ADD Kids.

Here's the transcript of our recent chat with expert George Lynn:

GeorgeLynn says:

Hello, Is this the ADHD chat?

Host Bert_MSN says:

Hi, George! Welcome!

~angel69~ says:

are you the expert?

Host Bert_MSN says:

Wolf, lots of new people because of the topic ...

Host Bert_MSN says:

Our Special Guest tonight is George T. Lynn, author of Survival Strategies for Parenting Your ADD Child. The topic is how well are our schools serving "attention different" boys, and what can we do about it.

Host Bert_MSN says:

"Attention different" refers to boys who have Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD), Tourette's Syndrome, or Bipolar Disorder. These kids don't have "deficits," but "differences," which include unique and special gifts.

~angel69~ says:

Girls have it too

Host Bert_MSN says:

George, I've really been enjoying your book. Before we get into schools and stuff, maybe you'd like to talk about stress and stressors aggrevating ADD kids.

Host GeorgeLynn says:

Bert, sure. I see the modern classroom as one big stressor in itself

~angel69~ says:

I agree with that!!

Host Bert_MSN says:

And stress is what aggrevates the "undesireable" symptoms?

Host GeorgeLynn says:

First there is the teaching style..it is "auditory" and doesn't work well for "visual" processors such as most ADD kids

Host GeorgeLynn says:

Then there is the speed. Most ADHD'rs need things slowed and they need hands on

Host GeorgeLynn says:

Then there is the ADHD hyperactivity which scares female teachers..

Kaitlin© says:

Hi All

chrisa says:

hi

Host GeorgeLynn says:

bonjour weird one (g)

Kaitlin© says:

why does ADHD scare teachers ???

~angel69~ says:

"female" teachers

~angel69~ says:

behavior??

baby36 says:

i don't feel there is enough one on one time given to these kids at school. these kids should not be expected to keep up with other kids in the class so there should be enough teachers to teach them in a seperate class

Host Bert_MSN ... good questions ...

Host GeorgeLynn says:

Boys running around always scares them..the kids' oppositionality and anger can be a major stressor to the teacher

chrisa says:

baby i agree

~angel69~ says:

Are you talking about segregating them? (SP?)

baby36 says:

there should also be more training programs for them

wolf2000 says:

ignorant teachers or female teachers??

Host GeorgeLynn says:

Men teachers by and large do much better with these kids

~angel69~ says:

I thought we were trying to intergrate them?

Kaitlin© says:

my son has been suspended due to his ADD

Kaitlin© says:

need more male teachers

chrisa says:

it is a nightmare to get some special programs started

Maxx says:

What is ADHD?

wolf2000 says:

I think that is bs george

Kaitlin© says:

Chrisa it is a law now

Kaitlin© says:

ADD is a disablity

Host GeorgeLynn says:

I think we need more male teachers who are ADD savvy

~angel69~ says:

Attention Deficit Hyperativity disorder

Kaitlin© says:

we need more teachers that are add savy period

ML-Explorer says:

how do you get suspended due to ADD??

baby36 says:

i agree katlin

chrisa says:

Kaitlin what do u mean

Kaitlin© says:

it is been passed by law as a disability

Kaitlin© says:

in march it was

~angel69~ says:

ADD is not a disability

Maxx says:

My son is in a special class 5th grade, can't read.

wolf2000 says:

I have a lot of friends in Children's Servcies and the women do fine when they are trained

Kaitlin© says:

yes it is NOW angel

chrisa says:

when was that/

Host GeorgeLynn says:

Kids who break the rules, say impulsive things, bring forbidden stuff to school get suspended..just lipping off your teacher wilfl get you the boot

Host Bert_MSN ... suspended for "acting out" or "disruptive" because the teachers didn't recognize ADD symptomology, perhaps?

Kaitlin© says:

go to the Chadd home page http://www.chadd.org/

baby36 says:

there should be more male teachers

Kaitlin© says:

they know he is ADD they just prefer not to treat it that way

~angel69~ says:

I just hate labeling a kid as disabled

chrisa says:

Kaitlin when was that law passed?

Host GeorgeLynn says:

Trouble is many ADD'rs tend to be mouthy, uncooperative, esp when they get stressed or bored

~angel69~ says:

that is what I meant

Kaitlin© says:

March 15,1999 I believe

~angel69~ says:

Don't get defensive kaitlin..I am on yourside......okay

chrisa says:

O k what does that mean for a familie ? More rights?

ML-Explorer says:

I thought you could not be suspended if you have a disability and your behavior is a manifestation of your identified disability?

~angel69~ says:

we are all here for the same reason

Host Bert_MSN thinks:

George says in his book:

"I do not discuss the use of Ritalin to a great extent. Instead I lave more to offer as a coach for dealing with the public school bureaucracy, the kingpins in the distress cycle that makes Ritalin a necessity. The topic ... is one of the longest ones in this book for good reason. Schools put enormous stress on parents of Attention Different kids. The cycle ends when the system becomes more skilled in responding to the child's special needs."

Kaitlin© says:

lol not defensive angel

Host GeorgeLynn says:

The disability laws give these kids rights and their rights are stronger after recentSupreme Ct decisions

Kaitlin© says:

when they stop seeing ADD as behavoiral

Maxx says:

He jumps from regular class to the special reading class. Total chaos. The regular kids make fun of him because of his association with the special class.

Kaitlin© says:

my son needs his meds reevualted

Host GeorgeLynn says:

Bert, thank you. Bureaucracies are difficult to change but they must

Kaitlin© says:

sorry bout the spelling

Jillann says:

schools are a business-kids that don't conform are targeted for the alternative schools

chrisa says:

I have a 7 year old daughter and try to learn about all those new laws because we have been through hell to try to get our right

babbette says:

i am a parent of an adhd child, who is an adhd person myself

~angel69~ says:

SYMPTOMS??????????

Kaitlin© says:

me too Babbette

Kaitlin© says:

distractibility is a major one angel

babbette says:

scary isnt it

Host GeorgeLynn says:

impulsivity, inattention, and disorganization

Host Bert_MSN says:

Our Special Guest tonight is George T. Lynn, author of Survival Strategies for Parenting Your ADD Child. The topic is how well are our schools serving "attention different" boys, and what can we do about it.



George T. Lynn

Book cover

Survival Strategies for Parenting Your ADD Child

Order on-line



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Talking Back to Ritalin: What Doctors Aren't Telling You About Stimulants for Children
by Dr. Peter R. Breggin
Reviews
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Kaitlin© says:

is there anything we can do ?

baby36 says:

these kids need more school programs set up in school so they can show ttheir abilities in things that interest them

Kaitlin© says:

i agree Baby

chrisa says:

baby i totally agree

Host GeorgeLynn says:

Thank you Bert. Actually there are a lot of models out there of what works for these kids and its not necessarily a spec ed enviornment

Kaitlin© says:

both my kids are ADD

chrisa says:

these kids are very bright

~angel69~ says:

Thank you all for all of your help!! I have really enjoyed our conversation

Kaitlin© says:

one is doing very well and the other seems to lack motivation

Host Bert_MSN thinks:

Show their abilities ... good point! George talks a lot about the GIFTS these kids have to offer ... it's a DIFFERENCE, not a DEFICIT ...

ML-Explorer says:

what percentage of Children diagnosed with ADD or ADHD are being medicated by a physician?

chrisa says:

my kid is ADD too

Host GeorgeLynn says:

I like Hartmann's idea that they are "hunters"..they learn from real experience, they need to be able to move around, they need novelty, they respond well to consequences

ted says:

hi all!!

mls says:

I think a more structured enviornment/ definitly summer school programs and teachers that have experience handling these kids

Host GeorgeLynn says:

They tend to be very creative

Jillann says:

which does not make them a candidate for public schools, George

chrisa says:

What is the right thing to do ? Give medication or not???

baby36 says:

i agree mls

Kaitlin© says:

if it helps i say medicate

babbette says:

ym experiance is that i can learn to use my add to my advantage in some areas

babbette says:

i am trying to teach my son that as well

Host Bert_MSN says:

George's book:

"Giving the child Ritalin takes the responsibility off the school district (and district taxpayers) and puts it on you and your child. The child may or may not be able to get along without it. Some kids are inappropriately medicated. But most likely he's on the medication because when he's not he needs more extensive one-on-one attention in class."

baby36 says:

i agree give medication when needed

JackGerardi says:

Bert, George "Our Special Guest tonight is George T. Lynn, author of Survival Strategies for Parenting Your ADD Child. The topic is how well are our schools serving "attention different" boys, and what can we do about it." Would ya say that Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer were ADD? Do ya think they would have been put on Ritalin?

Host GeorgeLynn says:

Medication is a life saver for some kids. For others it is an economic expedient so that both parents can work....

Kaitlin© says:

mine is so severly ADHD it hurts sometimes

Kaitlin© says:

he taught himself to read at two

TOMMY says:

both parents working - part of the problem

chrisa says:

i am just worried about sideeffects down the road

Kaitlin© says:

and every year his grades get worse

Host GeorgeLynn says:

Picture a wild place, outdoors, people doing real things, not studying "Egypt" and you have the right environment for ADHD'rs

Jillann says:

what about food additives, etc.?

Host Bert_MSN thinks:

Huck Finn ... Tom Sawyer ADD? I bet George will agree to that!

Kaitlin© says:

mine is also sensitive to food additives

chrisa says:

mine too

baby36 says:

most parents have to work to survive

Host GeorgeLynn says:

If you're gonna corner them in a little room with 30 other kids, you have problems right there!

Host Bert_MSN says:

Is Ritalin necessary? Your book has an appendix that talks about naturopathic alternatives. Walter J. Crinnion, N.D., Nutritional ALternatives to Ritalin - Treating the Causes as Well as the Symptoms

babbette says:

i just lowered the amount of hours i work per day so that i can be home as soon as my son gets out of school

Kaitlin© says:

i just got FMLA so i can be there to help my son

TOMMY says:

good

Jillann says:

good babbs

wolf2000 says:

If I had an ADD child I would rather he/she attend a private school which cultivated the talents and provided the 3r's in a creative way.

Host GeorgeLynn says:

There are several attractive naturopathic alternatives to pharmacology

Continued ...

George Lynn is a therapist in Bellevue, Washington. He is the author of Survival Strategies For Parenting Your ADD Child (Underwood Books). (order on-line)

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